{"id":1814,"date":"2014-09-13T10:09:48","date_gmt":"2014-09-13T02:09:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/?p=1814"},"modified":"2014-09-13T10:09:48","modified_gmt":"2014-09-13T02:09:48","slug":"tibetan-prayer-wheel-circuit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/2014\/09\/tibetan-prayer-wheel-circuit\/","title":{"rendered":"Solar powered Tibetan prayer wheel circuit"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There are all kinds of toys and fun gadgets around the house for most people that might work or be broken, but either way most people wouldn&#8217;t know how do they work inside. For example take this solar powered Tibetan prayer wheel. There are <a title=\"Google image search: solar tibetan prayer wheel\" href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com.tw\/search?q=solar+tibetan+prayer+wheel&amp;safe=off&amp;tbm=isch\">many of these<\/a> out there, and found one at home lying around as well. It didn&#8217;t seem to work, and thought why not take apart to take a look?<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1819\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1819\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/tibetanprayerwheel.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1819\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/tibetanprayerwheel-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"Solar powered Tibetan prayer wheel\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1819\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Solar powered Tibetan prayer wheel<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The inside of this Tibetan prayer wheels is pretty straightforward: taking off the bottom cover out come two ballast stones, and drivebox with a solar panel hanging off it. The drivebox is connected to the prayer wheel outside via a rectangular shaft to turn it.<!--more--><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1824\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1824\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1824\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly1-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"All the parts of the solar power prayer wheel laid out\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1824\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The prayer wheel in disassembled form<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The drivebox contains an electronic circuit and a couple of cogwheels to turn the DC solar power into motion somehow. Originally the solar panel was not detached from the circuit board as it seems above, just after messing around with it for a while it came off&#8230;<\/p>\n<h3>Electronics<\/h3>\n<p>The circuit has only a handful of components and they looked reasonably intact (some surface corrosion on the capacitors and lot of grime on the transistors, but nothing that seems to be a showstopper). The round black thing on the right is a spool of thin, enamel coated wires \u00a0&#8211; a custom inductor. The wires were spun in both directions, so it is actually two inductors intertwined. \u00a0The transistors are <a title=\"2SC945 transistor datasheet\" href=\"http:\/\/www.micropik.com\/PDF\/2sc945.pdf\">C945<\/a>\u00a0according to their marking (or 2SC945 in it&#8217;s full name, as I&#8217;ve been told). The two lines leaving the photo to the left connect to the solar panel.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1825\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1825\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1825 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly2-500x375.jpg\" alt=\"Closeup of the circuit board from above\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly2-500x375.jpg 500w, https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly2-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly2.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1825\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The circuit board inside (top view)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The bottom of the circuit. From here it can be reverse engineered to see how does it actually work. The enamel coated wires were freaky to have a lot of extra length after their soldering point and been all over the circuit. Probably that would be good to cut short to make sure they don&#8217;t cause any shorts in the future&#8230; The resistors were desoldered so I can check their component value, the capacitor values were read off their housing, the inductor I didn&#8217;t touch this time, so their value is an outstanding question&#8230;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1826\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1826\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly3.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1826 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly3-500x375.jpg\" alt=\"Closeup of the circuit board from below\" width=\"500\" height=\"375\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly3-500x375.jpg 500w, https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly3-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly3.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1826\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The circuit board inside (bottom view)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>To figure out what the circuit does, it \u00a0helps to transcribe the diagram into schematic well. Then I messed up the legs of the transistors in the up-down flipping multiple times, so the circuit came out all wrong. Fortunately <a title=\"Solar powered Tibetan prayer wheel circuit issue on Reddit AskElectronics\" href=\"http:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/AskElectronics\/comments\/2fpugw\/solar_powered_tibetan_prayer_wheel_circuit_issue\/\">JohnnyThree at Reddit AskElectronics<\/a> helped (may he be blessed with lot of karma!:), not just to correctly transcribe the circuit but arrange the components so that it shows what the circuit really is: a variation on an <a title=\"Astable multivibrator on Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Multivibrator#Astable_multivibrator\">astable multivibrator<\/a>.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1816\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1816\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/PrayerWheelScreenshot.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1816 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/PrayerWheelScreenshot-500x319.png\" alt=\"The circuit schematic of the solar powered tibetan prayer wheel\" width=\"500\" height=\"319\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1816\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The reverse engineered circuit schematic<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I fixed up the circuit in <a title=\"KiCAD homepage\" href=\"http:\/\/www.kicad-pcb.org\/\">KiCAD<\/a> (good learning experience as well, and go open source!). The difference between the regular astable multivibrator and this circuit is C3 capacitor between the base and collector of Q2 (according to JohnnyThree it&#8217;s to curb RF interference), and using inductors L1 and L2 instead of pure resistors.<\/p>\n<p>Here are some additional resources if anyone&#8217;s interested:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a title=\"PDF version of Solar Powered Tibetan Prayer Wheel Schematics\" href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/supplements\/prayer-wheel\/prayer_wheel.pdf\">Schematics in PDF format<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a title=\"KiCAD\/eeschema version of the solar powered tibetan prayer wheel schematic\" href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/supplements\/prayer-wheel\/prayer_wheel.sch\">KiCAD\/eeschema schematic<\/a> and <a title=\"Eeschema component library cache for the solar powered Tibetan prayer wheel\" href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/supplements\/prayer-wheel\/prayer_wheel-cache.lib\">component library<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Been checking some of the components separately as well when trying to figure out what was going wrong. The solar panel has <a title=\"Poor light type amorphous silicon solar cell at VIMUN\" href=\"http:\/\/www.vimun.cn\/en\/ProductInfo.asp?pid=18\">VIMUN SC-5528<\/a> marking on it, which would make it a 1.5V poor light type amorphous silicon solar cell. This would make a lot of sense for home electronics, poor light is basically every light. When using my smartphone&#8217;s flash as a light, I could drive it up to 2.9V output at full power, but normally was much less.<\/p>\n<p>Since the solar panel&#8217;s connections came off the board after a while, I resoldered them, and could measure with a multimeter that the circuit does something. When connected, the voltage across solar panel maxed out around 1.VV, and the voltage across either of the inductors seemed to be oscillating between 0.3V and 1.0V with a period of about 5s. Not sure if this is any useful, just noted.<\/p>\n<p>When I&#8217;ve put the wheel with the magnets attached back in place over the coil, it was moving a bit back and forth with the 5s period. I thought maybe the device is back to normal after reattaching the solar panel and time to reassemble.<\/p>\n<h3>Reassembly<\/h3>\n<p>It was time to check out whether the setup was actually working and put everything back together. The wheels were pretty hard to test when not held at their place by the drivebox&#8217;s top.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1827\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1827\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly4.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1827 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly4-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"Partial mechanical assembly of the prayer wheel drive box\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1827\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The drive box with the magnetic wheel.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Before I&#8217;ve put the cogwheels back to the box, I&#8217;ve counted their gear ratios. The magnetic wheel has 10 teeth, the middle wheel has 70 \/ 12 teeth (in \/ out), and the final has 70 teeth again. That would mean a (70\/10)\u00a0\u00d7 (70\/12) = 7 \u00d7\u00a05 = 35 gear ratio, I guess. The teeth on one wheel seemed not symmetric which ends up forcing the prayer wheel to only turn in one direction.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1828\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1828\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly5.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1828 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly5-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"Fully assembled prayer wheel drive box\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1828\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">All the wheels in place with the lid still off<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>After putting the box back together, I&#8217;ve tried illuminating the solar panel with the flashlight again and see what happens. With a little initial turn the square drive shaft (is that what the thing is called, by the way?) it did start to rotate by itself pretty well! We are on\u00a0the right track.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1829\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1829\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly6.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1829 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly6-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"The drivebox closed up\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1829\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The box closed up<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The biggest difficulty putting the parts back into the box was keeping the ballast stones from dropping on the solar panel and crashing it. A little careful handling and everything&#8217;s back in place.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1830\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1830\" style=\"width: 500px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly7.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1830 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/gergely.imreh.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/09\/pw_assembly7-500x333.jpg\" alt=\"Drivebox reinserted into the prayer wheel housing\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1830\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The drive box reinserted into the housing, with the ballast stones and the solar panel still outside<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Finally I could test the whole assembly. Looks like the essential ingredients are sufficient light and an initial push. Not sure if the need for the initial push is intended or just a side-effect, but it actually mimics very well the existing physical Tibetan prayer wheels where one has to set them in motion, and the intention does count for the religious purposes. Though as a note, if the light is strong enough (full blast flashlight from up close), the wheel does start by itself and goes into pretty fast spin!<\/p>\n<p>The prayer wheel part of the assembly has a lot more inertia than the driveshaft on its own, and this it the wheel turns slower than I&#8217;ve seen in\u00a0the earlier test, and stops much quicker when the light is cut off.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Solar Powered Tibetan Prayer Wheel\" width=\"580\" height=\"326\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/oH5jmLEdZQ8?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>In the video I test the wheel out, kickstarting it, blocking the light to see if it is really operating from the solar panel or just the initial kick keep it moving&#8230;. So far so good!<\/p>\n<h3>Future<\/h3>\n<p>A couple of things I can think of as future work with this gadget:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Simulate the circuit in SPICE to understand the effect of the extra capacitor and the inductors<\/li>\n<li>Figure out whether it can it be fixed up to use less light? At the moment it&#8217;s not that easy to find a place around the house with sufficient natural light to make it work.<\/li>\n<li>Figure out if the friction on the wheels be reduced to make them turn easier \/ longer?<\/li>\n<li>What else could I hack this circuit to do?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>And then again, what other gadget to take apart next time?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There are all kinds of toys and fun gadgets around the house for most people that might work or be broken, but either way most people wouldn&#8217;t know how do they work inside. For example take this solar powered Tibetan prayer wheel. 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